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Neal, your issue of breath being the determinate, may work for Adam as an adult or other adults, but the question remaains about the develop of the fetus which God seems to find sacred in the womb, and modern day law finds when born, how ever, more and more if the mother is murdered with a baby such at the Peterson case, double homocide is usually considered. <BR> <BR><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p> This conviction, separate from the first-degree murder conviction for Laci, confirms California’s 34-year-old fetal homicide law and Congress’ Unborn Victims of Violence Act passed in April 2004, known as Laci and Connor’s Law. These laws reinforce the “personhood” of an unborn child, affirm that the not-yet-born have rights, and provide protection for babies still in the womb. <BR><!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR><a href="http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/12/8/230227.shtml" target=_top>http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/ 12/8/230227.shtml</a> <BR> <BR>Neal you never followed this case???
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Arguing that modern civilization, and its laws, are better than the barbaric ignorant beliefs and laws of the Bible does not help your case. <BR> <BR>You CLAIM that YOUR morals and ethics come from the Bible. In fact, you can't understand how I can even be a moral ethical person without belief in the Bible. Yet, NOW, you are pointing me to the humanistic secular laws and claiming.... What are you claiming again? <BR> <BR>God finds the fetus sacred? But a man's balls are more sacred? At least according to your basis of morality, the Bible. <BR> <BR>The Bible states that God told the Israelites to stone adulterers to death. That means that God ordered them to murder fetuses. <BR> <BR>So, yes, I agree that as a society today we have a less barbaric understanding of things. <BR> <BR>However, you claim to be arguing from a religious point of view. I have shown that you are not.
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HUH?????
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The Vatican is NOT excommunicating the rapist step father and is defending the excommunication of the mother and the doctors.<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>March 8, 2009, 6:40 am <BR> <BR>A senior Vatican cleric has defended the excommunication of the mother and doctors of a nine-year-old girl who had an abortion in Brazil after being raped. <BR> <BR>--snip-- <BR> <BR>He also said the accused stepfather would not be expelled from the church. Although the man allegedly committed "a heinous crime ... the abortion - the elimination of an innocent life - was more serious".<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR><a href="http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/5375029/vatican-defends-brazil-excommunication/" target=_top>http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/5375029/vatican -defends-brazil-excommunication/</a> <BR> <BR>Using his logic, marrying a protestant is more heinous than gassing 6 million jews as Hitler is still eligible for heaven while Goebbels is not due to his marrying a protestant. <BR> <BR>These guys in dresses are nuts.
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Who said the RCC has it right??? Not me???
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<font color="0000ff">Who said the RCC has it right??? Not me???</font> <BR> <BR>You are not far from their view even though your holy book values a man's testicles more highly than an unborn child. <BR> <BR>You might want to decide whether to put God's Word first or Bob's Word first. You claim to put your god's word first then go off with modern, atheist science secular humanist conclusions. Make up your mind. <BR> <BR>It might help if you actually read your god's word first. That way you might know whether your conclusions actually are supported by what you claim to adhere to.
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As a forensic pathologist, my late husband testified thousands of times in court on homicide cases. <BR> <BR>Only when a fetus was considered viable outside the womb, could its death be considered a homicide. Any other situation would, in effect, demand that a woman who was killed the next day after possible impregnation, could be considered a double homicide. <BR> <BR>This is similar to the Jewish law: only when a fetus can breathe on its own (today, that is assisted by respirators) would be considered a homicidal death. <BR> <BR>Should all "day after" possible impregnations be considered "human" then the laws would undergo such drastic changes that it would be a nightmare: A one-week old fetus could claim inheritance rights; have to pay income taxes, be declared a dependent while only one week's gestation. A fetus has no standing whatsoever in court if it is not viable.
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